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Used to be that racists would strap on their DR Martins and deliver their message via righteous kicks to your head. Nowadays we can move the battleground to the relative safety of the interwebs. In an attempt to understand the thought process behind the hate as opposed to trying to hide from it we decided to host an internet discussion of race and hate politics with no trolling or uninvited guests of any kind allowed. NO pointless name-calling, NO slurs of any kind and NO made-up statistics. One white seperatist, one white liberal and us. The final battle between tolerence and intolerence approaches...
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| These guys were accused of raping and killing a white woman that turned up completely unharmed hours later. Oops! |
Don't Panic: Hey guise, sup?
White Seperatist: Hello.
White Liberal: Hey.
DP: So let’s get this started - why can’t we all just get along?
WL: There is no sensible reason why we can't all just get along. I actually believe in democracy, progressive society and the words of Thomas Jefferson - that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
WS: Way back when I was growing up, this idea of 'diverse community' was something I could tolerate, something good even. I had good times growing up, partly as a result of that diversity. Today, the economic benefits of a multicultural society have become the main driving force behind the whole movement. The powers that be are only concerned with getting in more low-paid workers, more tourism and more big contracts. They couldn't give a solitary shit about the white majority that built this society, especially the working class element. Maybe when your own country is basically a warzone, coming over here and putting natives out of work for half of our minimum wage sounds like a step up but what about us? I've never heard even one arguement for multiculturalism in the UK that makes any kind of sense from a white nationalist persepective... from any kind of white perspective.
WL: The real reason the argument 'doesn't exist' is because you are so far into your beliefs you aren't willing to rationally listen to, or, ever accept any argument that contradicts it. You are no different from the extremist Muslims you hate.
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WS: Maybe it's blind faith or maybe it's logical in the face of guilt-informed, media-generated delusions. What argument is there for multiculturalism other than liberalist, white-guilt? The whites that claim to be non-racist do it because they see it as being cool and 'hip' or becuse they're so rich and middle class they can afford to live far from where the blacks are raping our women and robbing us on our own streets. Non-whites support these ideals because it's in their own interests to do so. Otherwise they're back in mud-huts in fucking Africa. Even whites from Africa don't want to be there anymore, they're leaving in fucking droves. They call it the 'brain drain'. They definitely don't want their wives and children there mainly due to black rape and AIDS. Sensible and logically thought-out arguments have NEVER been a part of the multiculturalism debate. It's all dreamy, emotionally-led, non-rational posturing.
WL: Isn’t that a bit rich? A white supremacist actually arguing against emotionally-led, non-rational arguments? Aren't you a hate movement? You're completely bogged down with holocaust denial, made-up statistics, fantasy stories and dubious source material.
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WS: I have lived in the same place my whole life - when it was white and now it's mixed. I've seen the community go to shit. I've been robbed outside my own house. I've seen what multiculturalism leads to. Violence, resentment and hatred. It just cannot work. I believe I'm in a better position to argue this than a middle-class graduate that probably has never seen the horrors of a truly multicultural area.
WL: Whatever your personal experience, the colour of somebody's skin doesn't make them a criminal, or an intelligent and civilised person. White seperatism and the inevitable worldwide resentment and human rights abuses it would lead to can not be the best solution.
WS: Well I would like to say the idea of white seperatism being the cause of 'human rights abuses' is retarded. There are many laws in place that 'discriminate' on some level. Rapists are 'discriminated against', peadophiles are 'discriminated against', testosterone fuelled young men aren't allowed to fight in the street. There is no law that says everybody can go do whatever the hell they like, especially if it's not in the interests of the wider population. Mixed societies are not in the interests of the wider, white population - just the ruling classes and the non-whites that want to benifit from our society.
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DP: So, we could argue about this all day. We need to bring this to a close. What, in your mind is the final solution to the problem?
WS: Simple, you need a global society that respects the right of each race to progress along it's own path. Holding back enlightened and advanced societies to allow other cultures to play catch-up and drag us back through everything we've had to go through to get here is not in our interest. We as white people need to think about the survival of our race, our beliefs and our way of life. We can't let minorites and minority lobbying bring us down.
WL: But aren't you a minority? As white seperatists I mean. The majority of us, as far as I can see, are for an end to the racial and relgious hatred that has caused so much suffering over the past two thousand years. Wouldn't going with you (a minority) be exactly that - a minority lobby bringing the rest of us (the majority) down?
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WS: Maybe as a conscious white I am in the minority. That's hard to admit but it probably is the truth. I just don't want to see my race and my way of life gone from the earth. If any other race argued for the same it wouldn't be considered anything other than their basic right.
DP: Not really, I spent an entire week trolling the Nation of Islam and pointing out how everything they believe is total bullshit. Most people (the majority) agreed. You guys have actually got quite a lot in common with them. It's not the wite race and the white 'way of life' that we want to see gone from the earth, but hateful, extremist movements like yours and the Nation of Islam's.
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WS: Well, I've expressed my views and I stand by my beliefs. The way things are going whites will soon be a minority in the world and that's when we have to ask ourselves if our new non-white overlords will be willing to look past the last two-thousand years? When (and it is a case of when and NOT if) the roles are reversed, will this ideal multiculturalism still be on the cards? When the minority is us? That, white child, is the question you have to ask yourself. There's no point complaining when you're in the shackles. You need to start thinking about this now. Wake up!
DP: Unless of course you're deluded, paranoid, misinformed, bigoted and totally full of shit. (CALM DOWN THIS IS AN IN-JOKE)
WS: Ha! (LOOK HE'S LAUGHING) I suppose time will tell.
You can carry on this argument on every single website with a comment section or forum on the internet. Let us know when you've come to a conclusion okay?
EDIT: Our WS, holds these beliefs although that doesn't automatically make him a Nazi-streetfighting-racist-killer like some of you seem to think. He isn't in a gang, isn't calling for violence and is in fact a talented artist friend of ours who is now afraid airing his views could lead to his losing his job / ruining his reputation through the actions of others. He says he no longer wants anything to do with this feature and has actually offered aplogies, we refused to accept them because, he, in our opinion hasn't done anything worng. Please STOP with the Nazi threats and hate. Nobody (not me) wants to start editing this comments section / deleting stuff. Keep it intelligent or just go away please. Any genuine opinions are welcome (even if you don't like them, even if we don't like them).
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the way in which they grew up as children I mean *
Posted by anonymous @ 22/06/08 21:11:44
Hahaha! who said that they were purebred? Dear oh dear.
Posted by anonymous @ 18/06/08 16:06:13
lol @ purebred. Yet more proof that WS are totally deluded, chip on shoulder wastes of space.
"I don't think you can really take on the combined forces of mother nature, evolution, biology and the vast majority of the human race, enjoy becoming an extinct distant memory trying."
BUT WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL WHITE PEOPLES INTERNET CLUB!!!!!111
Posted by anonymous @ 18/06/08 12:42:12
You're not purebred you're just deluded. lol
Posted by anonymous @ 18/06/08 00:19:33
What Is Racism?
by Thomas Jackson
There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism" in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off. For example, when a white Georgetown Law School student reported earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as white students, it set off a booming, national controversy about "racism." If the student had merely murdered someone he would have attracted far less attention and criticism.
Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it, churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it, but just what *is* racism?
Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that one's own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this. Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to understanding what Americans *do* mean. A peculiarly American meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong but evil.
The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly important. If blacks, for example, are equal to whites in every way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is white racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone, and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism. Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state.
All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on white wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today's whites can find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday's whites must have oppressed them. If whites do not consciously oppress blacks, they must oppress them UNconsciously. If no obviously racist individuals can be identified, then *institutions* must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so terribly in America, there simply must be millions of white people we do not know about, who are working day and night to keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some fashion, an indictment of white people.
The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are required to believe that the only explanation for non-white failure is white racism, every time a non-white is poor, commits a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, white society stands accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior by non-whites is standing proof that white society is riddled with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-whites fail to succeed in life at exactly the same level as whites, whites will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed almost exclusively by white people. Indeed, a black congressman from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of Detroit, have argued that only white people *can* be racist. Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which she explained that *all* whites are racist and that *only* whites can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality
Although some blacks and liberal whites concede that non-whites can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-whites have been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of white oppression. What appears to be non-white racism is so understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The reverse is also true.
Examples of this sort of double standard are so common, it is almost tedious to list them: When a white man kills a black man and uses the word "nigger" while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of random whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991). College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-whites as "racist," but ignore scurrilous attacks on whites.
At election time, if 60 percent of the white voters vote for a white candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote for the black opponent, it is white who are accused of racial bias. There are 107 "historically black" colleges, whose fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity, but all historically white colleges must be forcibly integrated in the name of... the same thing. To resist would be racist.
"Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of white pride is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist.
Blatant anti-white prejudice, in the form of affirmative action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action, if practiced in favor of whites, would be attacked as despicable favoritism.
All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic solidarity, but any club or association expressly for whites is by definition racist. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. The National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to be viciously racist.
At a few college campuses, students opposed to affirmative action have set up student unions for whites, analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the white students at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones that non- whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed, in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a white enclave but whose members simply happen all to be white is branded as racist.
Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the asymmetric quality of American racism is "celebration of diversity." It has begun to dawn on a few people that "diversity" is always achieved at the expense of whites (and sometimes men), and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard University be made more diverse by admitting whites, Hispanics, or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them to celebrate *homogeneity*. And yet any all-white group - a company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood - is thought to suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied as quickly as possible. Only when whites have been reduced to a minority has "diversity" been achieved.
Let us put it bluntly: To "celebrate" or "embrace" diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from *deploring an excess of whites.* In fact, the entire nation is thought to suffer from an excess of whites. Our current immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90 percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-white. The several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every year are virtually all non-white. It would be racist not to be grateful for this laudable contribution to "diversity." It is, of course, only white nations that are called upon to practice this kind of "diversity." It is almost criminal to imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant dispossession of this kind.
What if the United States were pouring its poorest, least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being "culturally enriched?" What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its majority population to poor whites who demanded that schools be taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and schooling?
Would Mexico - or any other non-white nation - tolerate this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not. Yet white Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless cultural gift. They are supposed to "celebrate" their own loss of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist.
There is another curious asymmetry about American racism. When non- whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever accuses them of "hating" another group. Blacks can join "civil rights" groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds without anyone ever suggesting that they are "anti-white."
Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they are irredeemably wicked and hateful.
Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the same time, *whites* must *also* champion the racial interests of non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of "diversity" and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in the simplest possible terms, white people are cheerfully to slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism.
Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more natural than to love one's people and to hope that it should flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures, their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why should Mexicans and Cambodians complain?
No, it is the white enterprise in the United States that is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to object to dispossession, much less to work for their own interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its heritage, and giving away to others its place in history. Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies.
What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist."
What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined nations since the beginning of history - but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites.
Posted by anonymous @ 15/06/08 18:36:29
>> about 5 non-whites out of a crowd of about 100+ people.
>> but everybody seemed about 16 years old and 5 stone.
This.
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 15:19:55
*could NOT stop thinking
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 14:43:57
sO what went down last night? Didn\'t see much blood at the vice launch...
haha... no there wasnt... last night was a good example of racial segregation. I made this point in an earlier post and last night I could stop thinking how true it is. Downstairs there were about 5 non-whites out of a crowd of about 100+ people. Considering the area is at least 50% non-white, it was a very whites only crowd.
I ask a couple of people if they were they posted on this site, but nobody seemed to know anything about it. From the previous posters threat to spill my blood I was half expecting to see some hard-types there... but everybody seemed about 16 years old and 5 stone.
What a joke... not a bad pub tho..
www.stormfront.org
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 14:42:41
sO what went down last night? Didn't see much blood at the vice launch...
/sad panda
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 13:32:52
sO what went down last night? Didn't see much blood at the vice launch...
/sad panda
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 11:46:28
Whoever is writing 'WHITE PEOPLE = FAGS' you aren't fooling anyone! I'm pretty sure your a WS trying to stir shit! especially as FAG seems to be one of WS's favorite words from their limited vocabulary.
POOR FORM even for a nazi. Either way you're an absolute tit!
HALF OF YOUTUBE HAS GOT INVOLVED!
WAY OUTTA HAND!
Jonny
Posted by anonymous @ 13/06/08 00:49:31
None of this makes any sense anymore. /thread.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 22:28:21
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS! IT ONLY MAKES THEM STRONGER.
Some friendly advice for people of all races and political persuasions.
Posted by Seun @ 12/06/08 18:36:28
white people = FAGS
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 18:21:44
"This is my whole point. I give you 20 books to read and you research and pick out the SINGLE BOOK that best suits your argument and then think you have won the debate simply by considering reading it."
-nice backpeddal. It sounds like you just picked a bunch of titles from the internet and got caught out! Anyhow, as I said... recommend a couple of books out of your list and I'll read them.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 18:13:24
Questions are supposed to have a question mark after them BTW.
-the sentence does have a question mark... you are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 18:08:15
"I haven't read "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" but am going to. The authors believe that average IQ differences between nations are due to both genetic and economic factors.
Doesn't the genetic difference element fit in with nazi racial theory?"
This is my whole point. I give you 20 books to read and you research and pick out the SINGLE BOOK that best suits your argument and then think you have won the debate simply by considering reading it. THEN you'll post it up on Stormfront so you and your friends from your SPECIAL WHITE PEOPLE INTERNET CLUB can repost it in every debate you have from now on.
You ARE 12 years old aren't you? Admit it. Its called 'balanced research dipshit', it's what adults do BEFORE they come to a conclusion NOT afterwards.
Once again, can you people get ANYTHING right? I'm seriously starting to doubt it.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 18:05:34
I haven't read "IQ and the Wealth of Nations" but am going to. The authors believe that average IQ differences between nations are due to both genetic and economic factors.
Doesn't the genetic difference element fit in with nazi racial theory?
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:53:33
"There seems to be more hate coming from the anti-hate crowd."
Come to the Vice party in your swastika t-shirt (if you had the balls) to see the reality of that hate IRL.
You won't because you are a keyboard warrior that talks big online but knows to STFU IRL.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:50:10
There seems to be more hate coming from the anti-hate crowd.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:23:37
I actually read every day. I have a degree. I have a well paid job. I have a beautiful girlfriend. In fact I generally hang around left-wingers like yourself and get a kick out of challenging them in debate. Most of them don't know what the hell they believe because its all fashion. I'll be at the vice party tonight in London where there'll be lot's targets. See you there?
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:14:55
I've travelled quite a lot actually.... London is a third world-shit hole now.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:07:29
Pick two books from your long list and I'll add them to my list. If you not afraid to challenge your beliefs, read My Awakening and Western Man. I could list at least 20 off the top of my head but I think those two are a starting point.
And a bit of advice, abuse looks really bad to anyone who is impartial. It makes you look like you don't have an argument. So I suggest in the future you try and be a little more civil, you might actually have a chance of convincing someone of your position.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:05:00
white people = FAGS!
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 17:01:14
"That is the complete opposite position of the BNP. The member who said that..."
So its the complete opposite position yet even you yourself admit a member DID say that.
Of course they fired him WHEN THE STORY CAME OUT IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA, freudian slips have cost many a less-than-savvy politician his job. Its called 'damage limitation' moron.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 16:45:50
Very interesting point regarding Reaction Formation.
I have quite a lot of left wing friends who profess to be very tolerant and black-friendly, yet their daily actions are hypocritical. Here are a few anecdotes:
-They always talk about bad areas of London. They say "such and such area is a shithole, the people are dodgy and its dangerous. Id never live there or go there after dark." Surprise surprise these area are ALWAYS black areas.
-The other day a trendly lefty mate and I were looking for a pub in south london. I suggested one and he went in first, but immediately turned back and said it 'wasnt his scene'. I popped my head in and surprise surprise most of the people inside were black.
-I was out at a arty/liberal party the other evening. There was about 100 people in the room and only 2 non-whites.
The list could go on and on.... but I guess my point is that left-wing/liberal white people often betray their beliefs by acting in the opposite way. I propose that they feel guilty about not wanting to be a minority amongst black people, so they overcompensate so they dont seem racist to their friends. I bet some of the most racist people are actually left-wingers who've suppressed their true feelings. It also explains why the leftists explode with anger when they see the right wingers saying openly what they themselves secretly believe.
Look at white flight from London. People make excuses like the tube is too crowded, or theres not enough green space. Yeah right, the real reason is you dont want your kids to be knifed by a gang of black hoodies on the way home from school.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 16:43:41
"What university did you graduate from? I\'ll make sure I don\'t send my kids there."
I don't think your kids will ever see the inside of a University, believe it or not there are NON WHITE PEOPLE THERE!
Better keep them locked up in the basement to better 'protect your racial purity, eh'
Also, I seriously someone as anti-social as yourself is in any position to be able to afford one of the top ten Universities in the country. Enjoy your trailer / council estate, hope you don't lose too many shelf-stacking jobs to Polish teenagers m8!
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 16:40:35
SERIOUSLY JUST GIVE UP! YOU DON\'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE, SENSE OR REASON TO DEBATE ANYTHING WITH ANYBODY LET ALONE ME (a philosophy graduate).
What university did you graduate from? I'll make sure I don't send my kids there.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 16:01:26
I strongly suggest people on this board research something called "reaction formation." It would explain the WL perfectly. Does anyone else notice the that the WL did NOT deny the WS's charge that the WL (the big advocate of "diversity, mind you) does NOT live in a "multicultural" neighborhood?! Hmmmm. "Do as I say, not as I do?" In my opinion, this WL is a race traitor who fears "black rage" and feels he can save his own sorry hide by throwing another white body before the black's machete when there is finally a race war. Sorry, pal, your color is your uniform as those same WL idiots in South Africa found out once they rope-a-doped the Boers into handing the country over to the very people who hated them the most. Feeding them the Boers didn't stop them from raiding their opulent compounds, carjacking them the moment they stepped outside the door and raping and killing them. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch, if you ask me. YOUR day is coming, you fools!
I am a working class white woman. I don't have the time or the inclination to persecute other races. However, while I believe in being courteous and professional to every human being, I only freely associate with other whites. I network with other whites. I also am an American Nationalist who wants American Interests to dominate. I expect, say, French Nationalists to want French Interests to dominate, so I didn't take it personally when Cherac went anti-American over Iraq. I put my family first. The way I see it, any woman who will take care of anyone else's children but her own is a bad mother.
This board seems to have a major problem with white people. The reason why I brought up the right of free association is to point out a few home truths. You have a right to freely associate or not to do so as you please. You have a right to live where you can afford. Anyone who doesn't like living in America can leave. There is no wall keeping you a prisoner here. Anyone who doesn't like white people can move out of white neighborhoods and out of white schools. Outside of work, you don't have to deal with white people. Oh, and all you foreigners who don't like America?! Feel free to do as the French did and close those American bases on your soil. Please feel free to send those rotten American soldiers there to defend you HOME! Also, it wouldn't bother me one iota if you no longer had any use for our stinking money either. I think you could get the message home loud and clear if you stopped treating Uncle Sam like your person ATM machine.
Now can we be done with the whining? Or are you hell-bent on keeping up the white racial guilt trip until we get so sick of hearing about it, we all commit national suicide by voting in Barak HUSSEIN Obama?! That little tactic may backfire in an ugly way if you keep it up. I went from actively considering him to being indifferent enough to simply put in my Ron Paul Protest Vote to deciding to hold my nose and vote for John McCain simply to keep that man from office.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 15:45:14
I was referring to your claim that we have failed to comprehend mainstream history, science, philosophy and government at every level.
Question: Have you ever read any books that challenge your beliefs? I recommend Which Way Western Man or My Awakening. There are many unspoken truths in the world that you will not learn at university.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 15:22:59
"You can\'t get by in majority of mainstream society, you have failed to comprehend mainstream history, science, philosophy and government at every level."
Really? Then how do you explain the following?
-Swiss Peoples Party is the single largest party in Switzerland with 29% of the vote (37% of white swiss people).
-Vlaams Belang recieves around 20% of the vote in the Flemmish areas of Belgium. It receives around 30% of the vote in Brussels.
-The French National Front receives between 10-20% of the vote.
-The Northern League and National Alliance are now partners in the Italian government. The mayor of Rome is the National Alliance's Gianni Alemanno.
-The BNP is catching up quickly, having 100 councilors and 1 London Assembly representative. A BBC poll found 60% of Britons agree with BNP policies, so its only a matter of time before they have Members of Parliament.
This doesn't sound like we are failing. It sounds like people are realising that if they dont defend their culture and heritage, they will pass onto their children an alien third world society, if not an Islamic one.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 13:00:20
"Anyhow we kicked your ass we win!!"
"Anyway we got so butthurt we linked to this article to every white supremacists website in the universe and supplied your commercial website with OVER 9000 hits in the three days since it's been up! (thanks for that guise - DP sales team), We win! (In as far as boosting DP stats, making ourselves look like 12 year olds and achieving absolutely nothing constitutes a win anyway)."
Fixed for great justice.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 10:38:00
Hey wait a minute... that picture of the lynching shows 2 white guys being lynched. We've been deceived all these years?!
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 05:50:58
88.
Posted by anonymous @ 12/06/08 00:33:20
I love the way WS's talk although they had given a non indigenous race a chance in the first place. They talk like they have tried everything in their power to be civilized toward non whites ("theres just no bargaining with these savages") when the truth is they had made they're minds up before they'd even got to know them!
WS should look into the 'Self fulfilling prophecy'
And remember "....AROUND BLACKS ......NEVER RELAX!"
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 23:38:28
WS's sees everything as simply 'black and white' never stopping to take into account social, psychological or historical factors which might influence peoples behavior.
If it is simplification that WS's understand then think about this
If GREAT Britain in its hay day had not have gone over there, they would not have come over here.
As a mixed race person 50%black and 50% white, where do I fit into the WS agenda? where would you send me? Am I the so called future you fear so much?
I sit here in the middle with laughter, tears, disappoint and despair watching narrow minded individuals from both races I represent making absolute fools of themselves, whilst dragging each other down, never stopping to look at the bigger picture.
Anyway Peace
J.I.S
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 23:22:41
WS's sees everything as simply 'black and white' never stopping to take into account social, psychological or historical factors which might influence peoples behavior.
If it is simplification that WS's understand then think about this
If GREAT Britain in its hay day had not have gone over there, they would not have come over here.
As a mixed race person 50%black and 50% white, where do I fit into the WS agenda? where would you send me? Am I the so called future you fear so much?
I sit here in the middle with laughter, tears, disappoint and despair watching narrow minded individuals from both races I represent making absolute fools of themselves, whilst dragging each other down, never stopping to look at the bigger picture.
Anyway Peace
J.I.S
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 23:12:49
The WS was figment of your imagination you ridiculous yellow dwarf..Anyhow we kicked your ass we win!! 14/88
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 18:22:38
NEWSFLASH I don't care what you think and can't be bothered to argue with you because you're all irrational crybabies. EVERYTHING in the article is offensive, what about the lego slave joke, who do you see crying about that? What about the 'around blacks don't relax', who do you see crying about that? Do you really think I give even a semblance of a shit that an article I wrote upset a load of bigoted 14 year olds on the internets. If you pull your head out of your arse and stop playing the victim card you might see how retarded you all look. Before you all started talking shit in the comments people were agreeing with you, then you all storm in here shouting abuses and trying to threaten and argue with everyone that doesn't buy into your beliefs and have justified everything bad that was said about you. This wasn't about Fascists like yourself trying to tell people what to think under the threat of violence it was about somebody I know and like voicing their opinion. I have re-iterated myself too many times to do it again so I won't.
You can't complain about people not respecting your beliefs when you act like fucking thugs as soon as you hear something you don't like.
From now on read whats already been posted and stop addressing comments to me directly unless they are at least a little bit informed and make at least a little sense. Your WS has already abandoned you because you've come across as mindless fascists. I seriously can't believe you're still looking for a fight here, you're not going to get one.
In short go away and grow up FFS.
Posted by Seun @ 11/06/08 17:24:25
Seriously man I haven't seen a real skin for 30 years have you?..Its a liberal media straw man as I said on that Bloxham guys thread would you write an article re the pedophile prophet Mohammed? or would you be afraid? see mate fear works especially with people like you, your spineless we know this. the Muslims know it. maybe we are over civilized if anything, do look into cultural Marxism the Frankfurt school ect we know exactly whats going on. All White nations are having the same, coincidence I think not
How much longer do you think White people are going to be forced to listen to this anti White shit before they join up the dots? every White I talk to is super pissed off, At the end of the day you cant separate us world circumstances will draw us closer in time. this time next year this place will be like 30's Germany its going under mate, what do you think Whiteys going to do when the flat screen is carted out the front door by the balliffs and his kids are eating from the bin? he can go down the dole office for an asian to tell him he is not entitled to anything how do you think thats going to pan out!
Plus we were never asked so if you don't mind we will resist..............
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 14:44:38
"Seun Korean name right?"
Yes. Did you even read the article? Try and actually read things before you start shouting misinformed garbage. Nobody is being called a racist in that sense. Our WS ISN'T A NAZI, why do I have to keep pointing that out? Stop trying to figure out my race, you're getting it wrong anyway. I don't care about race or define myself by it / lack of it. If you want my alliegence its 'Chaotic Neutral'. If you want my favorite colour its blue. Can't stand anybody thats full of shit. This includes most people of all races.
Posted by Seun @ 11/06/08 14:23:50
THE IRONY BEING I WROTE A FUCK THE NOI ARTICLE AND WORK 5 MINUTES FROM THEIR OFFICE IN BRIXTON, THEY SAW IT AND ONLY COMPLAINED ONCE VIA ONE ANGRY PHONE CALL AND AN E-MAIL THEN LEFT IT.
You guys were given a spokesman, unedited views were posted, essentially won the debate you were given and this still has to come down to "boots and braces" and threats of violence all because of the one opinion you didn't like, but thats fascism, eh. Certain people in this comments section must be eating their words. The WS is eating his words and apologizing in private e-mails, WHY, he never did anything wrong except state some opinions, he isn't a violent racist I was at his 23rd this time last week FFS. You people need to find a better outlet for your hate, nobody here is going to fight anyone in the street over this.
Of course, I for one won't tar you all with the same brush. There are a lot of valid points to be made and probably some intelligent discourse but leave it with the threats and screaming please.
Try and at least act a little civilized FFS.
Posted by Seun @ 11/06/08 14:03:34
Seun Korean name right? how many Black people do you guys over there huh Seun?..Oh thats it I remember none! LOL you know as well as I what East Asians think of Blacks, so why not go home and lecture your people on the evils of racism "a made up word Trotsky wasn't it?"..The word has no effect on us, and more and more Whites how are sick of the double standards how scary is that? imagine that all those pissed off Whites that are coming our way in the coming economic collapse!!....At the end of the day they are our people Seun you will never understand..
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 12:56:30
Seun
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 12:49:24
Hello Seun you people have drawn attention to yourselves in a very unfortunate way mate, not clever as your office addresses are on the site plus a pic of "Peter Bloxham" is now all over WN sites ..I would imagine its going to Suck to be him very shortly they have people in the tax office/social his address will be out soon as well...Very Very stupid I would urge you guys to take this stuff plus the other White thing you have down before things get out of hand, seriously mate some hardcore people have seen this stuff and I hear are on about making an example so don't let it be you!..Take care..
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 12:36:24
Hey guise. As a mod = GOD. I don't want to have to start deleting comments. I have tried to explain I personally don't want loads of blatant racism on this page. This article isn't an attack on anybody and everyone was given the chance to speak their mind. The "misinformed and full of shit" comment wasn't as serious as you lot are making out. It's a reference to something the WL said after he storm(fronted) off and it was just me and the WS in the thread riffing and trying to edit everything into some kind of order. The guy is a separatist not a massive racist and doesn't use slurs himself and (in his own words) doesn't want loads of "14 yr old b& nigger nigger comments backing me up as this isn't the *chans".
Debate please, just try and understand that nobody is or ever was under attack here, posting hate comments just backs up the idea that all separatism is about hate. I'm going to try and get the WS to post here or e-mail me and I'll post it here. Just to let you know he's fine, alive and well and not as upset as you might think about "having his views mocked".
Srsly, I went to school with this guy and have known him for years, he's fine and probably back in SE ROFLHLWAO (rolling on the floor laughing his lily white ass off) -sheesh.
Posted by Seun @ 11/06/08 10:56:41
The WL left, sorry.
Posted by anonymous @ 11/06/08 10:22:34
YOU didn\'t achieve any of these things, people that died years ago who you genetically more likely have less in common with that Robert Mugabe did. What have YOU done lately. Besides whine like a bitch on the internet maybe.
It's good to see you took a few minutes between your whacking - off internet porn sessions to post some nonsense about the future of England. I find liberal asswipes like this tend to live the FARTHEST from the diversity they CLAIM to adore. They spend all evening plugged into the tele which shows blacks as brain surgeons, moral politicians and doctors, concerned citizens, and always given a tough break all the while the White guy is the baddie. Too bad in real life it's the opposite usually.
Posted by anaplat @ 11/06/08 05:27:02
It\'s like the difference between a domesticated white tiger and a wild brown one, its the environment that made one terrifying and the other friendly toward humans. NOT the colour of its fur people.
>>> THen how come niggers are still acting like niggers in America after 400 years. Doesn't environment change a savage negroid into a civilized human? Nope. Sorry but RACE is a major factor in all of this. The lame observation that innate differences in the same race compared to between the races because those differences are "bigger" is ludicrous and totally unscientific. You must have seen that bit of tripe on an Oprah rerun. Those big "innate differences" fall along the lines of various "diversity" in hair and eye color. The correct term you should have used was NUMEROUS not "bigger". There are BIGGER differences between the races. Note that certain heart medicines and conditions affect primarily blacks and not Whites. I could go on and on but whats the pernt? Liberal, bedwetting, self-hating Whites would rather DIE that hear and accept the truth that whites and blacks are different. Supremacy is relevent.
Posted by anaplat @ 11/06/08 05:00:06
I have lived in new york now for the better part of 30 years. And I can honestly say that 99% of my social problems stem from interactions with blacks, italians and hispanics. I'm really sick and tired of these apes. They lack intelligence, culture, and respect. They really don't know how to speak correctly and show no respect whatsoever for themselves, let alone, for their white counterparts.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 23:57:28
STORMFRONT??? sorry im not with you who said anything about stormfront ?
did i mention my beliefs?? no! i understand both sides i come from a multicultural community and have friends of all races! the difference is i took his point in an didnt think it was fair to mock his views in that way, therfore i found it a invalid debate!
so sorry you thought u knew what u wer talking about! once again it seems your wrong.
thanx for your time
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 18:50:02
Everyone who moved out of London because 'there's too many blacks' is either a senile grandparent who remembers the Windrush and the Raj or a total twat.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 16:49:38
"Of course it wouldn\'t, the diseases, wars, wildlife, weather patterns that defined British history and the British reaction to those historical factors would remain the same. The queen would just be yellow, thats all."
Never did I suggest that skin colour was the sole reason for group difference. As you say, there are a multitude of effects (over thousands of years) that define a nation and cause the difference group situations. My point was merely that large scale immigration from non-European peoples, will drastically alter the nature of the UK. Large scale immigration leads to non-assimilation and the immigrant group maintaining its character, thereby effecting/replacing the existing indigenous character of the society. The end result of this, will be that in 50-100 years the UK will no longer have what we describe now as a European culture.
Whether or not this is a good or bad thing is subjective to individuals preference. If you do not value English/British/European culture then you can look forward to a different future. I however made the point that while white liberals assert that the alteration of European culture is a good/natural thing, they often betray this position by moving away from areas that have become non-European. This white flight is quite well documented and can currently be witness in many party of the UK, London being a good example.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 13:10:42
"And to make the issue more confused, there is also great variation within each group."
THIS.
It has been proven several hundred times over that the innate differences WITHIN a racial group are bigger than those BETWEEN racial groups. Groups of humans are shaped by their environments NOT their skin, hair, or choice of trousers. It's like the difference between a domesticated white tiger and a wild brown one, its the environment that made one terrifying and the other friendly toward humans. NOT the colour of its fur people.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 12:29:37
NEWSFLASH! SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE! The overly long and pretentious comment below is so far off base im going to have to take a whole four minutes out of my busy workday to explain why hes "paranoid, misinformed and full of shit".
At the root of the debate is the is whether or not different countries / societies are the way they are because of the amount of melanin in peoples skin OR the geological, economical, religious, environmental, historical, governmental, sociological, etc factors which COULD also MAYBE play a little MAYBE part in how the resultant society turns out. This is a highly contentious issue because a lot of (not only white) people would prefer to put this down to superiority on their won part and inferiority on "the foriegners"and ignore all these other factors because it suits their "Im better than you" perspective on the world.
The white liberal is a pussy. Though he has good intentions at heart, he ultimately fails to adequately argue his point against the Nazi probably mainly due to his views being easily accepted into the mainstream society without the intense scrutiny the Nazi has to accept and constantly fight against.
The white separatist doesn't like the fact that in a truly multicultural society simply being white will not guarantee him his higher position on the two-tier society he is so desperately clinging to / longing for. He is afraid that his own contributions to society are little and essentially irrelevant, clinging to the accomplishments of other whites that lived and died a long time before he did defines his sense of self worth (not much).
"you could replace the entire population of the UK with 60 million Chinese, and the fundamental nature of the UK would not change."
If you're talking about *changing* them tomorrow then yes, you're stupid as shit hypothesis stands but what if you were to make the change at the dawning of British society, i:e, in an attempt to see whether their *appearance* would make a difference to the way things turned out despite the "geological, economical, religious, environmental, historical, governmental, sociological, etc factors" remaining the same.
Of course it wouldn't, the diseases, wars, wildlife, weather patterns that defined British history and the British reaction to those historical factors would remain the same. The queen would just be yellow, thats all.
Get off your delusions and wake up yourself. Skin colour is NOT the defining characteristic in the formation of human societies, try to understand this kids! It would probably help if your world-view wasn't totally off-key when you're trying to survive out there.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 12:24:21
"you would be surprised at actually how many people do have similar beliefs!"
I'm surprised at how many Don't Panic readers have 'similar beliefs' looking at these comments.
I agree, you're all "Paranoid misinformed and full of shit" if you believe this is what this guy REALLY believes, I notice he cleverly dodged the question when asked for a "final solution" to the "problem".
Watered down hate is still hate.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 12:00:10
At the root of the debate is whether or not different races inherently create different societies. That is, if they as a group, have broadly unique dispositions and capabilities. This is a highly contentious issue because it is often viewed as an issue of superiority or inferiority. And to make the issue more confused, there is also great variation within each group.
The white liberal obviously believes that groups are irrelevant as they are all inherently similar, and that problems only occur when we indentify ourselves with one particular group. If you follow this logic, you could replace the entire population of the UK with 60 million Chinese, and the fundamental nature of the UK would not change.
The white nationalist on the other hand, believes that different ethnic/cultural groups naturally create different societies. That is, the Japan is like it is because of the innate character of the Japanese people. The same goes for India being a result of Indian group character, Jamaica the result of Afro-Caribbean character, and Europe the result of European (white) character.
The white seperatist believes that when whites are not the majority in the UK (50 years in the future) the character of the UK will therefore be fundamentally changed. He is afraid that the society he is familiar with will disappear as other cultures take over.
I personally am sympathetic to this argument, even though the term white separatist does have negative connotations. Nevertheless, people must seriously as themselves whether the UK will be itself in 50 years time, or will it feel like a foreign country? And if so, is this what they really want? The fact that so many white people move away from ethnicaly diverse areas (white flight) indicates that this is not what they want. These are tough questions, but there no point burying our heads in the sand. Our children's children will be the ones who suffer if it all goes pear-shaped.
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 11:49:53
what? "if any other race was to stand their ground no one would say a word, they would infact probably get help!"
sorry but did the black power movement get help?
did the extremist islamists get help?
what are you on.
seperatism is about wanting a all white britian basically. he just drifted around the bush abit to water down his ideas but thats what it is at the end of the day. how the f can you support that?
"i think you would be suprised at actually how many people do have similar beliefs!" what the bnp yeah?
Posted by anonymous @ 10/06/08 11:20:22
What the hell are you people talking about? The guy was given plenty of chance to speak his mind. We literally made one pissy' comment at the end of the debate after the WL had left the discussion (as a joke, even he took it as such). Everyone was given the chance to say whatever they like and nobody was censored, which rarely happens with this sort of subject. It sounds like you're whining because it wasn't 'pro' white separatist enough. If thats the case get back to stromfront and I'm sure you'll be fine. It wasn't supposed to be 'pro' anything, imo the separatist came off worryingly well in this article.
Posted by Seun @ 10/06/08 10:47:32
Of course, I don't agree with your 'white separatist' either, but as a journalist I thought it was your job to be impartial. DP evidently agrees with the 'white liberal', and goes as far as to mock the 'white separatist' and insult his beliefs. Hardly a fair debate...
Posted by anonymous @ 09/06/08 23:17:06
"In an attempt to understand the thought process behind the hate as opposed to trying to hide from it we decided to host an internet discussion of race and hate politics with no trolling or uninvited guests of any kind allowed. NO pointless name-calling, NO slurs of any kind and NO made-up statistics. One white seperatist, one white liberal and us. The final battle between tolerence and intolerence approaches..." what a rubbish claim again it seems as always this was one white seperatist not having his opinion appreciated but sarcasticly mocked !! you didnt try to understand at all as far as im concerned!!! an it's not all about hate ! its trying to keep the white race alive an being proud, and its true that if any other race was to stand their ground no one would say a word, they would infact probably get help! its not all about boots and braces either so i think you would be suprised at actually how many people do have similar beliefs!
Posted by anonymous @ 09/06/08 22:05:01